Daath Question

I hope this group isn't strictly for the Golden Dawn version of Kabbalah, If so, I apologize for being slightly off topic. Can anyone shed some light on the sephiroth called Daath [located between Tiphareth and Kether] such as: What is the angelic order and the archangel associated with this sephiroth? What are some of the correspondences attributed to this sephiroth? What color(s) and or incense is associated with this sephiroth?

First, I would be more inclined to say that Daath is more a theoretical construct than a traditional sephira. In the _Sepher Yetzira_ it makes this very clear when it says that the number of sephiroth is 'ten, not nine; ten, not eleven.' If you want to make Daath an 'official sephira' (for lack of a better phrase), you would have to eliminate one of the other ten. Which one do you want to eliminate?

The earliest version of the Tree of Life was a set of concentric circles. There was no room for Daath in that version.

Daath was added because it *seemed* to belong in the modern version. Assuming it is true, and that all of the books for a thousand years are wrong, there is still a question as to whether Daath is below the Abyss, in the Abyss or even above the Abyss.

Putting that aside for a second, since the tradition is that there is no Daath (which is why, when it is shown on a TOL it is frequently drawn differently than the rest of the sephiroth), there are no 'traditional' correspondences with Daath. That why authors such as Regardie have 'borrowed' from Binah in making associations.

However, if enough people believe in something, it ends up developing a life of its own. More and more people are working with Daath. See, especially, the books of Kenneth Grant and the 'leapers' who use Daath as a link to another universe. See also the 'Shadow Tarot' of Linda Falorio.

] I hope this group isn't strictly for the Golden Dawn version of Kabbalah, If ] so, I apologize for being slightly off topic. ] Can anyone shed some light on the sephiroth called Daath [located between ] Tiphareth and Kether] such as: ] What is the angelic order and the archangel associated with this sephiroth? ] What are some of the correspondences attributed to this sephiroth? ] What color(s) and or incense is associated with this sephiroth?

Greetings, welcome to alt.occult.kabbalah.golden-dawn.

I have seen the replies offered by others in AOKGD, much of which I agree with, particularly (but perhaps not completely) what wizard has said.

I also do not subscribe to the view that all that is old is true, however I believe we diverge from the view of the ancient kabbalists at the risk of losing our way, even if many of their views show evidence of evolving trains of thought, and many slightly differing perspectives exist.

On one thing all seem united though; as wizard has already quoted, 'there are ten sephiroth and not nine, ten and not eleven' (I think that is the right way round - it is late and I am too lazy to check the reference). This insists that Daath is not a sephirah, and indeed it isn't so it cannot have correspondences as we are accustomed to the sephiroth having. There are some similarities between the concept of Daath and parts of the Enochian system to the extent that Daath symbolises the dispersion of what we commonly refer to as the conscious self (Ruach). Anyone therefore who claims to be 'working with Daath' invites doubt.

Viewed from a different perspective, Daath represents the gulf between the spiritual principles and the Ruach or waking consciousness. It is the Garden of Eden before the Fall. Note: that is *not* Malkuth before the Fall...

It is reasonable to say that the goal of spiritual development to elevate oneself to beyond the abyss represented by Daath, and there are those who claim to have received the appropriate Grade (in whatever system) that represents the 'Crossing of the Abyss'. However Grades are one thing and realisation of the reality symbolised by the Grade is something quite different.

I do not believe it is reasonable to speak in terms of restoring Malkuth to it's place on the Tree of Life by placing it where Daath is, because Malkuth was never there in the first place. To make this proposal is to misunderstand the basis upon which the Universe rests.

These are deep waters in which you have chosen to swim... Hopefully the responses you have received have been of some help.